Popularity and acceptance of FMT. Who is to blame for why FMT will never be available? Ignorance, laziness, and apathy of the general public? How to motivate people to take action? Other

[Michael Harrop]

I'd assume, that 10-15 years down the line, when everyone is sick and suffering from chronic health issues, mass population will try FMT and FMT will get popularity and acceptance.

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This is completely erroneous. Chronic disease and poor health already afflict the vast majority of the population. They can't try FMT because safe and effective donors are not available, and will never be because people are too ignorant and lazy to do anything to make them so.

Not right now though because the rich, successful and socially adjusted people are living their life fully. They are too ignorant and un-empathetic to understand FMT and help out people like us who are looking to do FMT.

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They're not living their lives fully. Many of them are as unhealthy as anyone else. Nearly every week, I see the news cover a wealthy celebrity dying of a condition curable with FMT. They're as ignorant as lazy as anyone else.

 

[FMTdriver]

This is completely erroneous. Chronic disease and poor health already afflict the vast majority of the population. They can't try FMT because safe and effective donors are not available, and will never be because people are too ignorant and lazy to do anything to make them so

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This is not what I meant. And there is no need for your hostile and harsh tone for that Mr. Harrop.

Yes, you are right that nearly everyone (especially those living in cities) are suffering from chronic health issues or are on the path of it in upcoming years. Hardly anyone is healthy and has a perfect microbiome.

However, these people are still getting by in their lives. They are participating in society, have good social life and career. Someone who has diabetes, heart issues or any other metabolic/Chronic disease.won't have urgency of motivation to look into FMT and a FMT donor.

Why ? Because, as long as their career, money, social life is not getting affected much and are going smooth, they wouldn't bother. I confidently say this because this is what I see around me and this is what's the norm in most places if not all.

And I agree that they are lazy and ignorant. Even stupid. But I also say, that it will take more years for FMT acceptance and popularity among masses.

Until and Unless, an urgency arrives among these stupid ignorant and lazy masses, and they become bedridden and their lifestyle deteriorates, they won't understand or try FMT easily. And this will take some years to happen.

Same answer for rich, successful and socially adjusted people.

They are getting by in their lives. They are not bedridden and lonely, and living in survival mode like you and me. They just simply won't get it.

 

[Michael Harrop]

That was not a hostile or harsh tone.

Why ? Because, as long as their career, money, social life is not getting affected much and are going smooth, they wouldn't bother.

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There are plenty of people who are severely impacted in those areas of life by their health. They still do nothing.

I noted in other threads that I've contacted such groups (IE: CFS - chronic fatigue syndrome) and even went to an event in DC and spoke to them, and they cared as little as anyone. So the notion that people are all of a sudden going to get serious once they can't work or play is nonsense.

But I also say, that it will take more years for FMT acceptance and popularity among masses.

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This is never going to happen because it's a catch-22. You would need highly effective & safe donors to be available so that people see the miraculous impacts. And that will never happen because safe & effective donors will never be available without massive public demand.

Same answer for rich, successful and socially adjusted people.

They are getting by in their lives. They are not bedridden and lonely, and living in survival mode like you and me.

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This is wrong, and ignores what I said in my previous comment.

People always find someone else to blame to excuse their own inaction. What are YOU doing? The answer for nearly everyone is "nothing". The vast majority of people are to blame, including you.

If anything, you're even more to blame because you're well-informed on the potential of FMT, yet you're still doing nothing.

There is a related discussion in:
What is the public perception of FMT? How much does it matter? Has it been blocking progress?

 

[SFBayFMT5]

They are getting by in their lives. They are not bedridden and lonely, and living in survival mode like you and me. They just simply won't get it.

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I think this is exactly it. And even people who are possibly worse in terms of objective sickness (if you can even measure that) are often sick in more visible and empathizable, "socially acceptable" ways, and see less of a gap between their current ability level and where they could be at if they got the right treatment.

In many Lyme disease groups, there are many people who are quite sick, but are married, have kids, etc. Their world is centered around dealing with the stresses of their very real and otherwise integrated lives. Especially many of the women in those groups are like this. Contrast that with a rather different picture, of a young male who never managed to get settled in life, who doesn't have obvious disabilities like a limp or obesity or something like that, but is too irritable/inattentive/volatile to hold down a job, has maybe picked up some addictions, etc. The latter is in many ways more "in need of a miracle", but much more likely to be passed by and overlooked when the larger society is choosing how to allocate resources for finding cures.

People who are sick, but not on the fringes, are in my experience much less likely to endorse radical new treatments that are themselves not socially acceptable. They ARE likely to endorse treatments that come from outside accepted science, but these are things like chiropractors, "energy healing", applied kinesiology, etc. They seem to feel they have too much to lose by asking other people to give them bodily fluids and possibly risk being branded a weirdo rather than assuming an identity as a stressed out, overburdened sufferer.

Michael once mentioned that overweight and "visibly unhealthy" people seemed less likely to respond to his sign and/or spiel than people who looked fit and healthy. The way I explain that is that the second group of people imagined themselves as their best potential selves and therefore their egos/self-assessments saw more of a "win" in "rocking the boat". Whereas those who are visibly unhealthy see that unhealth as "just part of them", and they feel less resistance in embracing that to some degree.