Michael Harrop
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Main link: https://forum.humanmicrobiome.info/threads/attractiveness-facial-features-and-health-development.32/
I thought this was important enough for its own thread because from what I've seen the vast majority of people, including doctors and researchers in the FMT/microbiome field, seem to have poor understandings of human health & development, and the gut microbiome's impacts on the entire body. And I believe this has been a major contributor to the deficiencies in donor quality due to inability to identify healthy human beings. I talked about it previously in this document, and suggested that poor health has become the norm and thus people's perceptions/judgments are warped.
Previously when I gave an example of a healthy person in /r/HumanMicrobiome it was surprisingly controversial. And people were insistent about debunked claims. BTW, as a general guide, when you see new information you're skeptical of, you reply "citation?" instead of "no".
I was also stunned when a "PhD|MBA|Cancer|Biogerontology" challenged me on my statement (with numerous citations, in a science sub) that this mother was clearly unhealthy, and equated my statement to fatpeoplehate... A group I consider an unscientific hate sub that is arrogantly ignorant about the causes of the problem. Neither the mother's or daughter's poor health & development are due to one gene, or from eating too much and not exercising enough (CICO). Human health and development are vastly more complex than that.
In my experience this is not some crazy outlier, but rather the norm. Couple days ago I saw a popular article of a mother congratulating herself on using her disease-ridden body to create another person. And thousands (of probably similarly unhealthy people) cheering her on.
I believe this is very much related to the Dunning-Kruger effect. Due to poor health & development, many people's function is poor and thus lack the ability to make rational deductions/analysis. You can rightfully blame much of it on poor health education, but many with that same poor education figured it out.
So I compiled some of the research on it here: https://forum.humanmicrobiome.info/threads/attractiveness-facial-features-and-health-development.32/
This is what a healthy human looks like:
How many people look like that in most of the world? In my locations it's been somewhere between 1%-0.1% or less. When I used to see documentaries or news coverage of developing countries there were many people who looked like that. But these days most look as unhealthy as everyone else, which is extremely alarming to me. My observations are supported by the data:
And visible health markers are only the bare minimum. You can be thin/fit/attractive and still have underlying dysbiosis and disease. Which reduces the number of people who qualify as healthy, high-functioning people with eubiotic gut microbiomes way below 0.1%.
I tried to expound on this topic in this article: A critical look at the current and longstanding ethos of childbearing, the repercussions it’s been having on human health and society, and its relation to the recent microbiome research.
Original 05 Jul 2019 (18 comments).
I thought this was important enough for its own thread because from what I've seen the vast majority of people, including doctors and researchers in the FMT/microbiome field, seem to have poor understandings of human health & development, and the gut microbiome's impacts on the entire body. And I believe this has been a major contributor to the deficiencies in donor quality due to inability to identify healthy human beings. I talked about it previously in this document, and suggested that poor health has become the norm and thus people's perceptions/judgments are warped.
Previously when I gave an example of a healthy person in /r/HumanMicrobiome it was surprisingly controversial. And people were insistent about debunked claims. BTW, as a general guide, when you see new information you're skeptical of, you reply "citation?" instead of "no".
I was also stunned when a "PhD|MBA|Cancer|Biogerontology" challenged me on my statement (with numerous citations, in a science sub) that this mother was clearly unhealthy, and equated my statement to fatpeoplehate... A group I consider an unscientific hate sub that is arrogantly ignorant about the causes of the problem. Neither the mother's or daughter's poor health & development are due to one gene, or from eating too much and not exercising enough (CICO). Human health and development are vastly more complex than that.
In my experience this is not some crazy outlier, but rather the norm. Couple days ago I saw a popular article of a mother congratulating herself on using her disease-ridden body to create another person. And thousands (of probably similarly unhealthy people) cheering her on.
I believe this is very much related to the Dunning-Kruger effect. Due to poor health & development, many people's function is poor and thus lack the ability to make rational deductions/analysis. You can rightfully blame much of it on poor health education, but many with that same poor education figured it out.
So I compiled some of the research on it here: https://forum.humanmicrobiome.info/threads/attractiveness-facial-features-and-health-development.32/
This is what a healthy human looks like:
- https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-q9TXnZ8rsLA/WnCTx2UlHBI/AAAAAAAAKYI/EVezW1GhojkYMpggvxsvYLCt0V8V5fRawCLcBGAs/s1600/Maasai-.jpg
- http://humanfoodproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/threedudes.jpg
- One on far right is healthiest IMO: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PSelfqKFrP4/U55e8Gwp8kI/AAAAAAAACtE/MWFqpWSSVSU/s1600/maasai_boys_in_hunting_gear.jpg
- https://i.redd.it/af7hhteogms31.png
How many people look like that in most of the world? In my locations it's been somewhere between 1%-0.1% or less. When I used to see documentaries or news coverage of developing countries there were many people who looked like that. But these days most look as unhealthy as everyone else, which is extremely alarming to me. My observations are supported by the data:
- /r/California_Politics/comments/bsp4gr//eop3dmb/
- https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/health/antibiotic-resistance-kenya-drugs.html
And visible health markers are only the bare minimum. You can be thin/fit/attractive and still have underlying dysbiosis and disease. Which reduces the number of people who qualify as healthy, high-functioning people with eubiotic gut microbiomes way below 0.1%.
I tried to expound on this topic in this article: A critical look at the current and longstanding ethos of childbearing, the repercussions it’s been having on human health and society, and its relation to the recent microbiome research.
Original 05 Jul 2019 (18 comments).