fmt reduced to less than 1% as effective as it used to be after i started taking high amounts of inulin daily years ago (reason likely being severely damaging my gut mucus layer) Enhancing

[john silver]

hello. I'm posting this in hope anyone here has experiences that could help me, unfortunately, i've been stuck for nearly a whole year now on this particular matter, i could use anything and everything. my attention's all over the place so I apologize for the all over the place read.

so, i took an antibiotic well over a decade ago, and from there on i developed brain fog and mood swings that'd come and go depending on what i ate, it took years until i knew the cause was food intolerances, those symptoms disappeared in a day or two if I ate strictly aip and without coconut and some exceptions, however, these were short term, while there was a long term mental fatigue gradually worsening year after year, which the aip diet just kept from worsening but didn't heal. i never got these properly diagnosed, i couldn't get myself to care enough to explain it well to the doctor, i didn't have it in me, my explanations always came up short, and they didn't get much out of it to be able to help.

the only things that helped improve it were anything that increased gut bacteria, inulin most importantly before I could get fmt, I had the chance to do a couple of fresh fmts several years ago from a healthy young donor i personally knew, from just a single one, I went from emotionally flat, unsociable, drained and apathetic (where i'd spend all day playing videogames and watching films due to barely having any energy or focus, unable to get myself to care enough to do anything else much) to being decently sociable and i had energy to draw for hours everyday, also my immersion in things got over x100 times stronger, my emotions got so much stronger too, needless to say, the fmt was super powerful, my whole reality looked different the next day as if i was on high dose ritalin or something, everything was so much more interesting, like how it was years ago.

then i couldn't do fmts for a while, and things still needed a lot of room for improvement, all i had working well for me was inulin, and i messed up bigtime and started taking insane doses everyday (well over 200g) for a while, i was actually seeing results, it felt like before the inulin, i had for example ten hours of very low energy, taking the high amounts of inulin would cause diarrhea and kill off some bacteria and in turn, it felt like every next day, those ten hours would instead condense and condense into shorter hours but much more energetic and lively, i've got whole theories on why all of this happened but that's not the point now.

so, i was too taken by the good points the inulin was bringing to notice the damage it was also doing, it did make me have a lot more energy but i also lost a ton of attention to detail and a lot of interests, even my single minute used to have so much more thoughts in it, it's like it made my world so much smaller but at least what little i still cared about, i did so a lot more than before, important to mention too that because of the damage, my bacteria became too weak to live on their own or the mucus barrier to weak to keep them attached? but simply not taking any inulin at some point made me get worse and worse everyday, so, I experimented until i figured out a small amount i have to keep taking everyday or i'll keep getting worse, i'm dependent on it now, as i increase my bacteria more and more (measured by how much mental energy i have), i don't need so much of it anymore, i didn't need any of it when i had the bacteria from the first couple of powerful fmts.

taking inulin wasnt the way to go, all i needed to do was take more fmts but i really couldn't at that time, so, the inulin overuse lasted for well over a year, so when the opportunity to use fmts again presented itself, from another donor i also personally knew, who was actually much healthier and older than the previous one but still in 20s, and the methods and everything was secure, one fresh fmt too, but my body just wouldn't absorb it the same way, fmt went from being something completely transformative to just a tiny probiotic boost, it went from doubling my energy over x20 times (but then all the improvement got reversed from inulin overuse + accidental inflammation) to increasing maybe by 10%. btw recent fmts with a gram of inulin are so much more effective than without it for me.

I don't have a lot of energy or focus to read through many research papers and forums and whatnot, so, recently i started relying a lot on chatgpt for this unfortunately (ik but i take it with grains of salt and double-check), and having told it everything, it said all of this is likeliest because of mucus layer damage, inulin kept stripping the mucus and flushing it out, and without it, bacteria can't stick, so I hopped on continuous dosing amino acids supplementation throughout the day, with zinc carosine, and butyrate, stool improved so much in two weeks, went from patchy, green, and deformed, to cohesive and shiny but still very green and no smell, based on the signs, i read that this means i've healed quite a bit and bacteria niches have started opening up, which them being shut down is presumed to be why i couldn't absorb fmt as well anymore so I was hoping now i'll absorb it so much more, but sadly no, i took a mini frozen one in after single rapid thaw, which i'm used to taking, from that same second donor, and ik how powerful it's typically is, i can't tell any difference from before the mucus layer healing program honestly. i absorb probiotics really well, and kombucha too, it's a mystery why i can't absorb what's so much more richer in bacteria than those.

I can't think of anything else I did that was damaging anywhere near the scale of inulin, and I've experimented for years with all kinds of things, nothing worked even 1% as well, only fmt can heal me, but only if i can absorb it again like before. if there're any reasons you might think is behind all this, please let me know.

if anyone's well-informed or experienced in what's happening, I'd deeply appreciate any contribution, any explanations, things i might have forgotten or overlooked, misinformed about, anything. thanks for taking the time to read this, I appreciate it.

 

[Michael Harrop]

1. You changed donors, so your assessment is not valid.
2. You're not "killing off bacteria" with inulin. By inducing diarrhea, you're temporarily clearing out problematic microbes. But constantly having diarrhea is not sustainable, and thus also comes with detriments.

What changed from your previous thread?
Adding inulin to the fmt enemas made it at least over x20 times more effective for me + what supplements do you think (or tried) would be good to mix in as well?

 

[EpilepsyFMTcure]

This is an interesting thread so thought I'd add my experience with inulin. I started taking it as a component of some nut bars I was eating and at first it worked GREAT, my stools totally regulated for a couple weeks, but then they went right back to loose and unpredictable so I stopped. I don't have any science to explain why it worked like that, but that was my experience.

 

[john silver]

1. You changed donors, so your assessment is not valid.
2. You're not "killing off bacteria" with inulin. By inducing diarrhea, you're temporarily clearing out problematic microbes. But constantly having diarrhea is not sustainable, and thus also comes with detriments.

What changed from your previous thread?
Adding inulin to the fmt enemas made it at least over x20 times more effective for me + what supplements do you think (or tried) would be good to mix in as well?

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thanks for your time and support.

1. sorry i forgot to mention that i did try an fmt or two from the previous donor after the inulin craze, and it worked so much less powerful, same methods, though considerably smaller than the typical amount, and fresh, same.

2. but doesn't inulin damage the mucus layer because it ferments really roughly and without it the bacteria don't have anywhere to stick? also, how come diarrhea clears out problematic microbes only? do you have links to studies? i'm pretty sure most of them say it wipes out both good and bad indiscriminatingly.

to answer your question, all the things I wrote in the thread were after the fmts were long since super weakened, I was experimenting on how to get it to be as good as before, it's true adding inulin made it a lot stronger, but it's still not even 5% how strong it used to be tbh.

so, now I'm working on getting fmt capsules, my body engrafts probiotics so well, whether it's caps or enema, but i took them caps first for a month at least before enema, i think the reason behind weakened fmt is that my immunity rejects the fmt microbes in enema form (because they've long since become unfamiliar to my system?) but if i took fmt caps daily for a while, passing through the small intestine where the immune school is, then I'd built a tolerance for them, and then I can also engraft them like before, whether it's caps or enema hopefully, will update if it works.

 

[Michael Harrop]

how come diarrhea clears out problematic microbes only?

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I didn't say that. I discussed it here a bit more.

 

[SFBayFMT5]

It sounds as if the inulin provoked a sort of manic experience for you at high doses, possibly as a result of what your gut microbes metabolized it into. This is conceivable because I have felt similar states as a result of overgrowth of the wrong bacteria in my gut, when they're fed by certain foods (after fasting for hours, this subsides). Mania seems to be a hypermetabolic state of the brain, like on brain scans it shows the brain "lit up as if on fire".

It's the nature of manic states that even if they can feel hyper-functional in the moment, they're detrimental long term--and even in the short term they often ARE less conducive to productivity than they FEEL.

 

[EpilepsyFMTcure]

It's the nature of manic states that even if they can feel hyper-functional in the moment, they're detrimental long term--and even in the short term they often ARE less conducive to productivity than they FEEL.

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I had a roommate once for a year or so who was bipolar and had manic episodes. Obviously this is just anecdotal, but it wasn't until he started working out with me and drinking constant high fiber smoothies did he start to become manic. For some reason it always stuck out to me that when he changed his diet was when the mania would come on, and it seemed very strongly like one led to the other (which is what I believe was the case.

Kind of related but I realized the other day that the akkermansia probiotic pills I had taken about a year or so ago were suspended in a bunch of inulin... I'm wondering now if maybe the probiotics were helping (biome-wise) but the inulin was what started aggravating my epilepsy.