Experience with two Gezonde Darmflora donors. Significantly worse from DF3, some improvements from DF5. Gezonde Darmflora 

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I also tried DF3 from gezonde darmflora. First I tried the capsules which I got severe diarrhea and brainfog from. Before that I had normal stool on the constipated side with severe bloating and brainfog, but still it did not really matter what i was eating I had normal stool although I follow a very strict diet. So I went backwards a lot with DF3. After DF3 I did multiple water fasts hoping to undo the damage but with very little succes. In between I also tried DF5 because I was desperate but this time I tried a klysma(enema) I did not get worse from this donor and I got some benefits. But DF3 set the bar extremely low so it was not that hard to archieve better results. Some side effects were that this donor gave me bad smelly farts. I still had diarrhea after but less sticky diarrhea so my digestion did improve. But my digestion did not really 100% change to the donors stool. I also had benefits from this donor in some other areas. It got rid of my brainfog for 90% and helped against my severe bloating.

The owner told me I got a bad result from DF3 because of the capsules combined with sibo so I was willing to try DF3 klysma this time(this was already more than a year later) after the DF5 experience was not negative and had positive effects. Unfortunately I got the exact same reaction to DF3 klysma I got left with brainfog + diarrhea again and burning sensation inside my large intestine afterwards combined with bad fatigue. He was polite enough to send some DF5 saved samples to me afterwards. However I could only hold them in for only 30 minutes max. I had trouble taking his klysma since the beginning, so we agreed to add some extra water in a little plastic container/bottle his capsules also came in with NaCl water alongside the klysma which I would later add to the solution. However he did not appreciate the feedback about his klysma.

The main issue I am having with his Klysma is that the stool comes inside a syringe. So it is impossible to check whether or not the stool inside is dethawed enough or not. With Microbioma it came inside a little bottle with more water added. So you could shake the solution until there was little ice left and you knew it was ready to go. Here there was no indicator at all. Which made the solution get stuck inside the catheter for me. With more water added which I mixed first. And afterwards added to multiple syringes. I now had no issue taking the stool solution. I let it dethaw for a while outside and when it still felt slightly frozen I mixed the still frozen solution with the water inside a cup. Now I had cold water mixed with stool inside 2 syrringes which worked much better. But it was still very difficult to keep the stool inside for a long period of time.

Many months later my digestion improved a little again and the brainfog is also better by a lot. Which I think it is related to some bacteria in DF5 for the brainfog part. Bloating is also there but it's definitely less and not as severe as before. Only since last month my digestion started improving again because of my strict diet regime combined with water fasts. But it is still on and off a lot. So my digestion is worse than when I started and my brainfog and bloating is better than when I started. Both donors are not available any more at this time but I still wanted to share my experience for reference to future donors of Gezonde Darmflora. The advice I also would give for the capsules is start with 1 and gradually move up the amount to prevent the reaction I had. If you would happen to react negatively to a donor you can stop before it gets very bad. If you take them all at once you are gambling for a positive outcome. Which you will not always get. Also negative outcome with capsules = negative outcome with klysma atleast for me.

I left some stuff out that I might add in the near future. Since this review is already quite long, but for now this is my experience with Gezonde Darmflora. It can be worth a try but you have to be cautious when trying fmt in general and not be naive.
 
The owner told me I got a bad result from DF3 because of the capsules combined with sibo
Shows poor knowledge on his part.
Someone that poorly informed should not be supplying unregulated medical products and giving out medical advice.

Misplacing blame for bad results is something scammers and other disreputable individuals thrive on. "It's not our product/advice to blame".

However he did not appreciate the feedback about his klysma.
Interesting.

Also negative outcome with capsules = negative outcome with klysma atleast for me.
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I left some stuff out that I might add in the near future.
Please add as much of the pre-filled info here as you can: https://forum.humanmicrobiome.info/forums/fmt-clinics-experiences-reviews/post-thread
 
Good too see someone else had a similar worsening from DF3, so it's not "just me". Not in the sense that it's good to see people get worse, but in that it's not that I am the only one made worse by a donor who is great for everyone else.

It's also interesting to see that DF5, who Marco said was the worst donor he's ever had, a narcissist who wasn't reliable delivering samples that he promised, and who is apparently the only donor that customers had reported getting worse from, actually helped someone more than DF3.

The owner told me I got a bad result from DF3 because of the capsules combined with sibo so I was willing to try DF3 klysma this time(this was already more than a year later) after the DF5 experience was not negative and had positive effects. Unfortunately I got the exact same reaction to DF3 klysma I got left with brainfog + diarrhea again and burning sensation inside my large intestine afterwards combined with bad fatigue.

Also negative outcome with capsules = negative outcome with klysma atleast for me.

For what it's worth, Marco said this much to me after I had a negative result with DF3 capsules. Yes, in his experience people with SIBO are more likely to benefit from enema than from capsules--however this does not mean that switching to enema makes a downright incompatible donor compatible.

In my experience, as someone who has been diagnosed with SIBO in the past, I did in fact do slightly better with enema, NOT because capsules from compatible donors made me worse in the way that DF3 did, but because I have difficulty tolerating more than a few capsules in one day without GI pain and nausea. With enema I can tolerate a much larger dose in one day, which increases the benefit a bit (not a lot, because in my experience most of the change is going from having none of a donor's bacteria to some--after this, adding more has rapidly diminishing returns). This is the grain of truth in his statement about people with SIBO.

He was polite enough to send some DF5 saved samples to me afterwards... However he did not appreciate the feedback about his klysma.
Marco is VERY "oxygen-phobic"--it colors nearly every aspect of his operation, where avoiding oxygen exposure is the overriding concern. He must strongly subscribe to the theory that the most beneficial bacterial species are strict anaerobes.

I recognized this quite early on as a point of difference of opinion with him and learned to mostly ignore some of the things he said that were clearly prompted by this, going instead with what my own reaction was to different ways of doing things. I suspect his reaction to your concern about the syringe was one of these--if he were to supply the preparation in a bottle and have his customers mix it with water and add it to the syringe, this would aerate the sample somewhat. It probably had nothing to do with him being disinterested in feedback.

It's really nice of him that he agreed to provide saline in a separate bottle for you to mix in, rather than expecting you to buy or make your own (which is what I would have done--in fact I DID purchase an enema kit and fill it with my own saline, to use right after the syringe in order to wash the FMT all the way up the colon to near the cecum, which isn't possible with the small volume of fluid he sends you).
Many months later my digestion improved a little again and the brainfog is also better by a lot. Which I think it is related to some bacteria in DF5 for the brainfog part. Bloating is also there but it's definitely less and not as severe as before. Only since last month my digestion started improving again because of my strict diet regime combined with water fasts. But it is still on and off a lot. So my digestion is worse than when I started and my brainfog and bloating is better than when I started.
The fact that both of us, testing three different donors between us, only got a partial cure after FMT suggests that they're not up to the likes of OpenBiome, which has been a near-complete cure for some..
 
It's also interesting to see that DF5, who Marco said was the worst donor he's ever had, a narcissist who wasn't reliable delivering samples that he promised, and who is apparently the only donor that customers had reported getting worse from, actually helped someone more than DF3.
He told me some people got worse from him who took capsules. Since he did not properly fill them and started messing with them. But that he could not mess with the syringes. So the syringes were safe to take. He also told me he was a bad person to rely on and the stuff you already mentioned. But he never told me his stool was bad as a donor. It mainly was about the donor as a human being.
Good too see someone else had a similar worsening from DF3, so it's not "just me". Not in the sense that it's good to see people get worse, but in that it's not that I am the only one made worse by a donor who is great for everyone else.
I think most people who get worse do not post it on the internet for everyone to see like we do. If you want to discuss some stuff in private let me know. I am not comfortable sharing everything on the internet anymore after my experience with Microbioma.
I suspect his reaction to your concern about the syringe was one of these--if he were to supply the preparation in a bottle and have his customers mix it with water and add it to the syringe, this would aerate the sample somewhat. It probably had nothing to do with him being disinterested in feedback.
That was not it. But I do not want to discuss this on the forums here.
The fact that both of us, testing three different donors between us, only got a partial cure after FMT suggests that they're not up to the likes of OpenBiome, which has been a near-complete cure for some..
I tried donor 1 and 2 from Microbioma and DF3 and DF5 from Gezonde Darmflora. Worst ones to me were DF3 and donor 1 from Microbioma. I believe it was donor 1 but im not entirely sure anymore. The other 2 donors gave me some benefits atleast. The last thing you expect when taking fmt is to get worse. But it can definitely happen so I hope people listen to this advice. I've never heard about OpenBiome before I am going to take a look at them. I know a woman i've met in a Facebook group who got succes with Taymount for her son. And I also read a story about someone who lived in Australia who did fmt for a long period of time with a very strict diet and only started seeing result after 6 months but eventually recovered. So I do not think most people will experience an instant cure from a donor. It's only when you are lucky with the right donor. I know Marco believes in instant relieve since he experienced that himself. But in my opinion that will not work for everyone.Misplacing blame for bad results is something scammers and other disreputable individuals thrive on. "It's not our product/advice to blame".
Misplacing blame for bad results is something scammers and other disreputable individuals thrive on. "It's not our product/advice to blame".
I do not think it is fair to call him a scammer. He always told me not to buy more than 1 piece of his product unless I saw improvement. He is against selling his products in bulk and only sells in bulk if people notice benefits from his donor. Like SFBay said he is very strict on his methods. He only tells people to store in dry ice. He was against me storing one of the samples in the freezer because it was only -20 degrees instead of -80 degrees celsius.
 
Initially this was commented under someone else thread. I see Michael has placed it under it's own thread now. This was not my intention.
 
I think most people who get worse do not post it on the internet for everyone to see like we do. If you want to discuss some stuff in private let me know. I am not comfortable sharing everything on the internet anymore after my experience with Microbioma.

That was not it. But I do not want to discuss this on the forums here.

I tried donor 1 and 2 from Microbioma and DF3 and DF5 from Gezonde Darmflora. Worst ones to me were DF3 and donor 1 from Microbioma.
Good to know that too about Microbioma. Though the situation with the Microbioma donors is confusing, I can never keep straight who is talking about whom. Because some people said there was one male donor and one female, some said there were originally two male donors but then they got a third female donor, which would contradict there ever having been only ONE male donor and a female donor, some people use A and B rather than 1, 2, and 3, etc.

The way the most recent person I asked said it was, the two male donors were 1 and 2, with #1 being a police officer who previously was an artist, and #2 being a doctor, and the one female donor being #3, an organic farmer. When labeled in this way, people generally found #1 to be calming and #2 to be "activating". I found DF3 to be WAY too "activating", so I'd suspect that the more activating of Microbioma's donors would be bad for me as well.

We can certainly talk privately if you have things you want to say about Gezonde Darmflora but don't want to put online on a public forum.

I've never heard about OpenBiome before I am going to take a look at them. I know a woman i've met in a Facebook group who got succes with Taymount for her son. And I also read a story about someone who lived in Australia who did fmt for a long period of time with a very strict diet and only started seeing result after 6 months but eventually recovered. So I do not think most people will experience an instant cure from a donor. It's only when you are lucky with the right donor. I know Marco believes in instant relieve since he experienced that himself. But in my opinion that will not work for everyone.
With OpenBiome I got strong immediate benefit (much more than from Human Microbes' UT-AW-1998 donor or either DF3 or DF7 from Gezonde Darmflora). The most dramatic benefit was around the 5th week, but this was just one FMT that was responsible for all this, it just took a while afterward to get the maximum effect. And like I said, the first day after I was already to some degree "a new person"--there was a qualitative change rather than just a quantitative one.
 
I think most people who get worse do not post it on the internet for everyone to see like we do. If you want to discuss some stuff in private let me know. I am not comfortable sharing everything on the internet anymore after my experience with Microbioma.
That's the whole reason pseudonyms are allowed. It's vital that this information is public so everyone can learn from it, participate in discussions, avoid risky donors & sources, etc. Taking things private completely removes the benefit of having a public forum. And lacking detailed experience reports ensures that people are left to take blind risks with their lives and life savings.

This is also one of many reasons why public forums are superior to private social media groups.

Initially this was commented under someone else thread. I see Michael has placed it under it's own thread now. This was not my intention.
It's off topic under someone else's thread. Each person's experience should be in its own thread.

I do not think it is fair to call him a scammer
I didn't, and I don't think he is one.

I am not comfortable sharing everything on the internet anymore after my experience with Microbioma.
This is a scammer scaring their victims into silence, and it must be resisted. And it's another example of why reports on public forums are essential.

I've never heard about OpenBiome before
This is amazing. It highlights the lack of information possessed by people engaging in an extremely risky, unregulated, potentially deadly medical procedure.

It's also a telling thing to see come from someone who is averse to engaging in public discussions & information sharing, and prefers private discussions. That mindset leads to ignorance and unnecessary risks.
 
Each person's experience should be in its own thread.
Fair enough.
I didn't, and I don't think he is one.
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This is amazing. It highlights the lack of information possessed by people engaging in an extremely risky, unregulated, potentially deadly medical procedure.
Before doing fmt I looked up tons of information including reading your sidebar from reddit. The name just did not come to my mind since i've been out of touch with fmt for a long time now. If you're refering to the dead stories after fmt I read that. Just did not link it to OpenBiome.
It's also a telling thing to see come from someone who is averse to engaging in public discussions & information sharing, and prefers private discussions. That mindset leads to ignorance and unnecessary risks.
To be fair we had our discussions in private aswell. I would not want those things discussed or posted on the public forums either. Not everything has to be discussed on the forums for everyone to see.
This is a scammer scaring their victims into silence, and it must be resisted. And it's another example of why reports on public forums are essential.
I did report my experience with Microbioma on here. However it still caused me a lot of stress. I appreciate that you're trying to warn and inform people. But more stress in my life right now is not worth it to me.
 
Before doing fmt I looked up tons of information including reading your sidebar from reddit. The name just did not come to my mind since i've been out of touch with fmt for a long time now. If you're refering to the dead stories after fmt I read that. Just did not link it to OpenBiome.
I reported my success with them here:

https://forum.humanmicrobiome.info/threads/temporary-success-with-openbiome-in-2015-for-post-lyme-and-neuropsychi.358/

FYI they are no longer operating. They also only provided FMT for C. diff while they WERE operating. You can find other mention of them if you search the forum.

To be fair we had our discussions in private aswell. I would not want those things discussed or posted on the public forums either. Not everything has to be discussed on the forums for everyone to see.

I totally agree.

I did report my experience with Microbioma on here. However it still caused me a lot of stress. I appreciate that you're trying to warn and inform people. But more stress in my life right now is not worth it to me.
Very understandable.
 
I also tried DF3 from gezonde darmflora.
I am very sorry to read your experience.
I also had very bad experience with Gezonde Darmflora, DF4, end up with severe diarrhea and extreme burning in my rectum. Had to give tons of money for doctor examinations and testing.
Turns out I got parasite cryptosporidium and high levels of ecoli. I had tests before the FMT and didnt have any pathogen, only lacked beneficial flora
I doubt that they test every stool that is donated.
When I contacted Marco, at first he was assuring me everything is ok, it will settle down.
After I got the test results and presented to him, whixh was 2 weeks later, he got so afraid, refunded my money and withdrawn DF4 enemas immediately from the webshop. To add to this situation, I found out that there were some parametars missed in the blood testing ( I cant reccal exactly what but Igm were not tested, while Ige were high). Marco said it was mistake of the lab.
Also, he was offering me enamas from.donors that are not listed in the webshop saying, oh I just found it in the freezer.. from this perspective, I shoild have known that there is something suspicious
When I posted my bad experience, I got so attacked by other people on this forum that I decided to delete eveeything, because I just could not cope with the stress of dealing with parasite, digestive issues and bad people.
I would encourage you to go trough testings to find out if you got any patogen.
 
I am very sorry to read your experience.
I also had very bad experience with Gezonde Darmflora, DF4, end up with severe diarrhea and extreme burning in my rectum. Had to give tons of money for doctor examinations and testing.
Turns out I got parasite cryptosporidium and high levels of ecoli. I had tests before the FMT and didnt have any pathogen, only lacked beneficial flora
I doubt that they test every stool that is donated

To be clear, what happened to me with DF3 is not likely something that would show on a stool or blood test. It's not that I picked up a disease from her, it's that the proportions of bacteria in her stool were far too stimulating for my system, both for my gut (causing diarrhea) and my brain (causing neuropsychiatric changes. She deserves great caution for that reason (just as SSRIs deserve caution in certain populations), but I doubt it's anything due to lack of diligence on her or Marco's part.

Who knows why her stool is this way--it's possible that it has to do with her likely being smack dab in the middle of puberty (but I hesitate to blame this, not having tried another donor in the same developmental stage to compare). And who knows what bacteria they are--we'll presumably never know. But any supplier could have a donor like this.


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Also, he was offering me enamas from.donors that are not listed in the webshop saying, oh I just found it in the freezer.. from this perspective, I shoild have known that there is something suspicious.
I'm guessing it was DF3 and/or DF7 he offered you. Those are no longer on the web shop but were there for at least a year, and were still up as of December. If he has those in his freezer (this is an ultracold medical freezer where things stay preserved for years, not a kitchen freezer) there's no reason for him to not offer them to people if they had a bad reaction to another donor and want something to rescue them. They were helpful donors for many while they were still donating. He just won't take any new orders for those donors because he doesn't have enough stock. I doubt he would offer someone like DF5 who he has told nearly everyone was an untrustworthy person and got rid of intentionally.
 
To be clear, what happened to me with DF3 is not likely something that would show on a stool or blood test. It's not that I picked up a disease from her, it's that the proportions of bacteria in her stool were far too stimulating for my system, both for my gut (causing diarrhea) and my brain (causing neuropsychiatric changes. She deserves great caution for that reason (just as SSRIs deserve caution in certain populations), but I doubt it's anything due to lack of diligence on her or Marco's part.

Who knows why her stool is this way--it's possible that it has to do with her likely being smack dab in the middle of puberty (but I hesitate to blame this, not having tried another donor in the same developmental stage to compare). And who knows what bacteria they are--we'll presumably never know. But any supplier could have a donor like this.



I'm guessing it was DF3 and/or DF7 he offered you. Those are no longer on the web shop but were there for at least a year, and were still up as of December. If he has those in his freezer (this is an ultracold medical freezer where things stay preserved for years, not a kitchen freezer) there's no reason for him to not offer them to people if they had a bad reaction to another donor and want something to rescue them. They were helpful donors for many while they were still donating. He just won't take any new orders for those donors because he doesn't have enough stock. I doubt he would offer someone like DF5 who he has told nearly everyone was an untrustworthy person and got rid of intentionally.
My reply was to another person, not to you.

The enemas I was offered were from DF6 and Df 7. And I highly doubt his diligencd, because If yiu read my post carefuly, I found that the blood reports were not complete and missing important analysis.
I Dont believe someone can develop chrinic diarhea just because "the donors microbiome" might have been to stimulating.
Why there is no way that one can find reviews in Gezonde darmflora anywhere besides his webaite and this forum or reddit.
 
When I posted my bad experience, I got so attacked by other people on this forum that I decided to delete eveeything, because I just could not cope with the stress of dealing with parasite, digestive issues and bad people.
Details are very important. Anyone reporting an experience (good or bad) has a responsibility to provide as many details as possible, and readers have a responsibility to ask questions to help determine the validity and accuracy of the report and claims/accusations.

Posting short comments about your experience in other people's threads is not fair to the provider and makes it difficult to track outcomes. I've criticized other people for this as well, so it's not that you're being unfairly singled out. I think you need to restore your thread if you're going to make comments about your experience and criticize the provider.
 
Can you change the title to Significantly Worse from DF3, some improvements from DF5. It looks like I got better from DF5 which I did not. I also forgot to mention I got acne on my arms after DF5.

Do you want to continue here?

I have talked to both SFBayFMT5 and Nikol now. I came to the conclusion Marco was lying to us. He told Nikol nobody ever had a negative experience with any of his donors. And he also told SFBayFMT5 nobody ever got a negative experience with DF3. Marco also told me the exact same thing. I informed Marco on 8 December 2024 about my 2nd bad experience with DF3 with the enema. And I took the capsules with DF3 around 2 Augustus 2023. SFBayFMT5 told me he ordered DF3 capsules late September 2024. So he very well knew someone had a negative experience with DF3 at this point. I do not know when Nikol took DF4 but since he told him nobody every had a negative experience with any donor I am curious to when Nikol took DF4.
 
Can you change the title to Significantly Worse from DF3, some improvements from DF5. It looks like I got better from DF5 which I did not. I also forgot to mention I got acne on my arms after DF5.
I'm very confused now. You said, in your own words, "I also had benefits from this donor in some other areas. It got rid of my brainfog for 90% and helped against my severe bloating." This is, as I understand, pertaining to DF5. And you said that "Before that I had normal stool on the constipated side with severe bloating and brainfog, but still it did not really matter what i was eating I had normal stool although I follow a very strict diet." Thus this certainly makes it seem as if the brainfog and bloating preceded your trial with DF3, even if DF3 aggravated them (which is likely, if she was the wrong donor for you--wrong donors tend to worsen symptoms).

So you shouldn't change your title UNLESS you are willing to clarify that your brainfog and bloating ended up no better than before you started with either donor. Otherwise, DF5 indeed helped you. It's similar with me and DF7 vs. DF3, though in my case I tried DF7 before DF3, while you tried DF3 first. DF7 made me better, then DF3 reversed that, but then I switched back to DF7 (I'd saved some precisely in the case of something like this happening) and then got back on track. Then I re-ordered more DF7 in November 2024 (it got to me in December) and this put me ahead of where I'd been before trying either donor (though NOT cured by any means).

Do you want to continue here?

I have talked to both SFBayFMT5 and Nikol now. I came to the conclusion Marco was lying to us. He told Nikol nobody ever had a negative experience with any of his donors. And he also told SFBayFMT5 nobody ever got a negative experience with DF3. Marco also told me the exact same thing. I informed Marco on 8 December 2024 about my 2nd bad experience with DF3 with the enema. And I took the capsules with DF3 around 2 Augustus 2023. SFBayFMT5 told me he ordered DF3 capsules late September 2024. So he very well knew someone had a negative experience with DF3 at this point. I do not know when Nikol took DF4 but since he told him nobody every had a negative experience with any donor I am curious to when Nikol took DF4.

The dates here make no sense. If you only informed Marco about your bad experience on December 8, 2024, even though you'd first tried DF3 in 2023, then he wouldn't have known about it when I ordered DF3. By December 2027, I'd already ordered the SECOND batch of DF7 (I ordered it in the 2nd half of November, but it took until the first week in December to get sent out). By that time I'd long since firmly ruled out DF3 as a good donor for me.

And conversely, even if you made a typo about the timeframe of ordering the capsules and meant August 2024 rather than August 2023, he wouldn't have known about MY experience with DF3 yet in time to tell you, even if you'd come right out and ASKED whether any customers had gotten worse from her--I didn't start taking the capsules until mid-October.

In a more general sense though, I think this is all "much ado about nothing". The fact remains that DF3 helped a number of people. Even knowing that one previous customer had had a negative reaction to her FMTs wouldn't have swayed me enough to not order any of her capsules. The whole point of my original order being split 50-50 between DF3 and DF7 was to establish which donor was better for me personally--a purpose it served perfectly well as it was.

You are free to tell Marco about the acne, though it's basically moot since he obviously never will work with DF5 again regardless. I don't think he will be surprised.

I'm assuming Nikol's experience may be from around the time he/she first posted, as at that time DF4 was one of only two donors available. Back when DF3 and DF7 were available, they seemed to together account for most of the orders--they were the only two that there were any online reviews of at the time--Nikol's is the first review of DF4 I'd ever seen, anywhere. So I'd guess that Nikol probably would have tried one of the donors with existing reviews if they had still been available, rather than trying DF4 before them (I could be wrong).
 
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The dates here make no sense. If you only informed Marco about your bad experience on December 8, 2024, even though you'd first tried DF3 in 2023, then he wouldn't have known about it when I ordered DF3.
They absolutely do. I said I informed him about MY 2ND EXPERIENCE in 2024. I did not say informed him about my first bad experience in 2024. I informed him right after I took the capsules in 2023 that I had a negative reaction to them. So he lied to you and Nikol. If you could read Nikol said that Marco told him nobody ever had a negative experience with ANY of his donors. When he already knew we had a negative experience. So either way he lied.
The owner told me I got a bad result from DF3 because of the capsules combined with sibo so I was willing to try DF3 klysma this time(this was already more than a year later) after the DF5 experience was not negative and had positive effects
Look what I said here. I informed him about my negative experience. And more than a year later I was willing to try the enema from DF3 because I had some improvement from DF5 enema and he told me my negative experience with DF3 was because of sibo. Why on earth would I wait until 2024 to tell him about my negative experience with the capsules. How does that make any sense. When i said more than a year later I meant I was willing to try DF3 again more than a year later after my negative experience with DF3 capsules. Not that I told him about my negative experience a year later. I told him about my negative experience right away. I also told you on reddit that he knew about my negative experience since late 2023.
You are free to tell Marco about the acne
This was not meant for Marco this was meant for the people who read this forum...
I also had benefits from this donor in some other areas. It got rid of my brainfog for 90% and helped against my severe bloating
That's why the title is saying "some improvements"... Part of my bloating is still there I still have diarrhea and other issues including bad acne and worse sleep, etc
I think this is all "much ado about nothing"
He LIED this is a very big deal. Especially since we are dealing with fmt a risky procedure. Do you actually think he just lied to you and Nikol? You really have no idea how sick I got from DF3.
The fact remains that DF3 helped a number of people.
It does not matter how many people DF3 helped. He is LYING to his customers.
So you shouldn't change your title
Initially this was commented under someone else thread. I see Michael has placed it under it's own thread now. This was not my intention.
Again if you could read you would know that Maximilian made the thread for me. I never made this thread including the title myself. That's why I asked him to change the title. What type of drugs are you taking? It's like we are talking a different language. Are you trolling?
 
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It's like we are talking a different language.
I think we ARE talking a completely different language. The only thing I care about right now is finding new donors. Therefore the only question that's relevant to me about DF3 is how it could inform my future choice of donors. For instance, would someone who does poorly with her also react poorly to most 16-year-olds, particularly most 16-year-old female donors? THAT'S relevant to me--NOT what Marco may or may not have told someone else about the fact that she was a poor donor for me.
 
Interesting. So, suppliers of an unregulated, potentially deadly medical product lying to their customers is not relevant to @SFBayFMT5.

I can't say I'm surprised at your comment, given your behavior here over the past few months. But it should be enlightening for other people who haven't seen all of your moderated comments.

To any intelligent, unbiased person, what has been reported here about Marco and GD means nothing he's ever said, or will say in the future, can be trusted. Yet, per SFBay's last comment about DF3 and 16-year-old female donors, he appears perfectly content to continue to trust information that has come from Marco.

It certainly seems like he is, from time to time. Other possibilities are that he's not who he says he is, or he has more severe cognitive impairment than he's alluded to.
 
Yet, per SFBay's last comment about DF3 and 16-year-old female donors, he appears perfectly content to continue to trust information that has come from Marco.
I don't need to trust, or NOT trust, anything that Marco said to know how I reacted to DF3, and how different it was from how I reacted to her brother DF7. It was not Marco who in any way raised the possibility that it would extend to other females of her age--it's just me being a scientist and wondering if a pattern will continue.

I mean, if two people from the same family have FMTs so different from one another in fundamental character as to feel nothing alike, then it stands to reason that some variable that distinguishes them (such as stage of pubertal development, sex, etc.) is quite possibly responsible. I'm not the first person to tentatively suggest that hormonal transitions can have an effect on the microbiome of a donor--someone else on a forum used a menopausal woman as a donor and reported hot flashes.

Now, I wouldn't rely on Marco's judgment to determine whether this hypothesis is correct or not--I'd rely on my own knowledge of physiology coupled with reports on whether other patients report similar things. He can be wrong about all sorts of things--like he insisted that placing capsules in the freezer for a day between dry ice and body temperature would make them work worse--however for me it made them work better (for DF7--nothing could make DF3 work well, including switching from top down to bottom up, as replicated now by Nigel). I'm not even saying I think I have enough information to rule the hypothesis of her developmental stage being responsible--all I was saying was that this was WAY more relevant to me than anything Marco did or didn't say.
 
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