What exactly is forbidden in the US with regards to FMT? Other 

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Some comments in the recent thread on Scienceforums.org made me think to ask this question. It's relevant to how exactly FMT products can or cannot be marketed in the USA, and hence to how a successor to Human Microbes would need to operate.

People there were claiming that FMT is merely not approved, NOT actually banned, meaning that it can be prescribed off-label for almost any purpose, although not eligible for insurance coverage in most cases. This is not how I understand it--this is possibly how it worked during the "discretionary enforcement" period back when FMTs first started being performed, but I definitely understood that the FDA later came out with a very explicit, "bright-line" rule restricting use only to recurrent C. difficile.

Possibly, the posters on Scienceforums understood "FMT" as consisting solely of products like Rebyota or VOWST, i.e. manufactured, named drugs, as opposed to the more general procedure of collecting stool from a donor and administering it to a recipient. If this is the case, IS there a means by which something like Rebyota could be administered to a patient for something that FMT itself is not approved for, without the doctor who prescribes it and oversees the use risking sanction by a medical board?

Also along these lines, what would a business like Human Microbes have to do in order to NOT qualify as a prohibited product? Would it need to avoid using the acronym "FMT" entirely, and merely call itself a "stool source"? Is the main issue rather with donor testing and communication of the test results to potential recipients in a way that implies safety?
 
You cannot prescribe unapproved drugs. Doctors need an IND if they want to try FMT on a patient.

You can see the exact issues in the FDA warning letter: https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/human-microbes-672740-02092024

The primary issue is the text on the humanmicrobes.org website indicates that the stool is "for the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in man or other animal".

So I could change the website completely, and continue selling poop for any purpose other than that. But the business model already was non-viable, and that would make it even more so.
 
You cannot prescribe unapproved drugs. Doctors need an IND if they want to try FMT on a patient.
Ok so FMT IS considered "a drug" even when it is not manufactured by a pharmaceutical company.

The primary issue is the text on the humanmicrobes.org website indicates that the stool is "for the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in man or other animal".

So I could change the website completely, and continue selling poop for any purpose other than that. But the business model already was non-viable,
Are you referring here to your inability to recruit effective donors paying them as much as you did before?

and that would make it even more so.

So it does seem like you would need to remove all mention of FMT then.
 
Are you referring here to your inability to recruit effective donors paying them as much as you did before?
The "paying so much" was due to the inability to recruit effective donors. Removing all mention of FMT and making it unclear what we want their poop for would only make things exponentially more difficult.
 
So from the Science Forums thread it appears as if Rebyota can be used off-label--so shouldn't we be encouraging medical practices to go into the area of prescribing it for patients with damaged microbiomes?

Back when I was undergoing Lyme treatment, there were a lot of questionable independent medical centers prescribing huge amounts of antibiotics for patients for months or even years. And they did even much more unconventional things too--like for instance one I found out had administered IV garlic, something that almost makes my arm burn just thinking about! (I'd even gone to that one at one point--in fact it was a result of my treatment at this one that I got my C. diff--although I didn't do any of their "crazier" treatments like this one). That one got a big lawsuit against them... but continued to operate because enough patients spoke up to defend the guy running it! I see that as of 2024 he was still practicing.

It would only be fitting and just if a similarly large number of providers now used Rebyota off-label to reverse antibiotic damage. And it's a possible goal if enough patients want it. Ideally we'd eventually want sources where you don't need to pay out of pocket (like most of these independent clinics were), and I don't know how standardized Rebyota in fact is, if you're correct in that donor pooling is not allowed by the FDA (as this would mean two lots of product could be from completely different donors, with no overlap), leading possibly to inconsistent results, but it's at least a stepping stone in the right direction.
 
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