Can you predict if a donor is better for bile acid metabolism (BAM) during screening? Donors 

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This may seen redundant considering what is known about donor quality (better quality = more chance of curing anything).

But are there certain hints or green flags that may predict if a donor is good at certain things? In this case, fixing bile acid malabsorption (BAM) caused by dysbiosis?

For example, are there similarities between RS-AR and FL-RS-1997 that may suggest a pattern to their bile acid metabolism boosting stool? I am screening someone and I would like to see if I can identify those things in them.
 
This may seen redundant considering what is known about donor quality (better quality = more chance of curing anything).

But are there certain hints or green flags that may predict if a donor is good at certain things? In this case, fixing bile acid malabsorption (BAM) caused by dysbiosis?

For example, are there similarities between RS-AR and FL-RS-1997 that may suggest a pattern to their bile acid metabolism boosting stool? I am screening someone and I would like to see if I can identify those things in them.
My best advice if you want to understand fully and get to conclusion of this is read and go through these things which I am mentioning below. Understand them fully.

There is reason Michael Harrop won't say much on this topic because the wiki and forum have decent amount of information and research available regarding this topic.

I agree with his decision to not spoon-feed information/research to each and everyone. This just contributes to lazy behaviour.

Here are the things to go through-

1. Michael Harrop's FMT Journal (It's very interesting and will give you a lot of information and tips)

2. Wiki- Especially Donor Selection, cited clinical FMT studies, there is also a seperate paragraph/summary on the role of Bile Acid Metabolism in the role of IBS and Chronic Diseases.

3. There is a thoroughly detailed FMT donor characteristics post in the forum. You can find it pretty easily by either searching the keywords or scroll manually to find the post.

4. Other FMT experiences posts (both clinical studies and anecdotal reports) present in the forum, which if you go through them , you will get a brief idea about your doubts.

5. Non-FMT Posts centred around improving/interfering with Bile Acid (for IBS and other issues) through supplements and other methods.

There are other specific stuff that will help you but I will have to confirm and then update. This is all what came in my mind for now.
 
My best advice if you want to understand fully and get to conclusion of this is read and go through these things which I am mentioning below.
Yeah, I have read everything about Michael: this whole forum, wiki and even his blogs unrelated to FMT, so I already know the answer to my question but I felt the itch to reach out anyways.

Michael is a man ahead of his time. It’s a shame how most people can’t be open-minded enough to hear him out. Despite all the so-called accomplishments humanity has achieved, natural selection will catch up simply because no one else but a disabled giant understood something as simple as “healthy poop = healthy gut = healthy everything”.
 
R3 Evidence-based. Misinformation.
It may be of interest to know that microbes have a tendency to colonize certain spots along the digestive system more than other spots. For example, L. Reuteri tends to colonize around the jejunum and other areas around the stomach; Bifidobacterium tends to be scattered throughout the small intestine; E. Coli tends to colonize in the terminal ileum; etc.

Bile acid has more than one way of being absorbed, which includes passive forms of absorption when it is not bound to certain amino acids (e.g. glycine, taurine). (L. Reuteri is known to deal with taurine and bile acids.) Bile acid tends to be absorbed in the terminal ileum and that almost all of it is absorbed per day. This suggests that its absorption rate is very efficient. So, for its absorption to be hindered implies significant intervention. Arguably, to the point where you should probably consider other causes for any gut disorders before entertaining the microbiome in regards to BAM.
 
So, for its absorption to be hindered implies significant intervention. Arguably, to the point where you should probably consider other causes for any gut disorders before entertaining the microbiome in regards to BAM.
Say which then. If you will say something like GERD or SIBO (I know what is said about it in this wiki), both of these can be caused by dysbiosis-BAM.

Liver, pancreas and gallbladder are all okay, along with bloodwork. Had a CT scan during active Campylobacter infection when all of this started, and everything was okay except for “inflamed ganglions in the ileocecal chain” which obviously points to Campylobacter causing dysbiosis in the ileum, leading to BAM. For 2 months, I had no major symptoms after this infection, so something like “the area being still inflamed” is not a possibility. Also, 2 months is usually the time it takes to see major changes on the microbiome.

I have tried things to improve my bile flow in the case of it being that, but whenever I have more bike flow, I get more diarrhea. That means I am lacking microbes that can reabsorb primary bile acids. Only thing suppressing symptoms (main one being Type 3 but yellow stools) is low fat diet. Otherwise, a very fatty meal gives me horrible diarrhea.
 

I couldn't say which because your post appeared deliberately private. Although I had guessed diarrhea due to the typical relationship with bile acid, I didn't want to invade in your privacy. But I also don't have the health to respond in detail, so I'll continue to keep things brief. Here are some things to think about: If we're talking about inflammation, the area could still very well be inflamed regardless of not experiencing any major symptoms. Obviously, the inflammation would simply be not as big as it once was. As such, the conclusion that you lack the microbes necessary for absorption may not be a valid conclusion. Healing the gut isn't so simple as you're making it out to be.
 
If we're talking about inflammation, the area could still very well be inflamed regardless of not experiencing any major symptoms. Obviously, the inflammation would simply be not as big as it once was. As
I am taking Glutamine for that. Otherwise, I understand it needs time to recover. But it has been 6 months now. Long time for it to heal. Mmm unless I take Cholestyramine to see if that aids the “healing” by manually reabsorbing the acids.
 
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Bile acid tends to be absorbed in the terminal ileum and that almost all of it is absorbed per day. This suggests that its absorption rate is very efficient. So, for its absorption to be hindered implies significant intervention. Arguably, to the point where you should probably consider other causes for any gut disorders before entertaining the microbiome in regards to BAM.
This is misinformation. Review the wiki: https://humanmicrobiome.info/bile/

This is a ban warning. Do not spread misinformation here. Review the rules: https://forum.humanmicrobiome.info/threads/rules-info-submission-guidelines-features.20/
 
Bile acid has more than one way of being absorbed, which includes passive forms of absorption when it is not bound to certain amino acids (e.g. glycine, taurine). (L. Reuteri is known to deal with taurine and bile acids.) Bile acid tends to be absorbed in the terminal ileum and that almost all of it is absorbed per day. This suggests that its absorption rate is very efficient. So, for its absorption to be hindered implies significant intervention. Arguably, to the point where you should probably consider other causes for any gut disorders before entertaining the microbiome in regards to BAM.

The first part of this is all true... there are multiple transporters, several of which have very broad specificity. There are two things that determine which transporter(s) are likely to be used, or whether the uptake is even passive, without a transporter at all:


1) Whether the bile acid is conjugated, e.g. to taurine or glycine. A number of gut microbes express bile acid DEconjugating enzymes, and other species conjugate new amino acids to the deconjugated bile acids that the host doesn't conjugate with.

2) The hydroxylation of the steroid nucleus itself, which is the determinant of it being a "primary" or "secondary" bile acid. Many species of gut microbes convert primary BAs, with more hydroxyl groups, to secondary BAs, with fewer, however few if any do the reverse. Of the transporter data I saw, there isn't a clear preference for primary over secondary or vice versa. Even within primary or secondary, the BAs differ in how high an affinity they have, about as much as between primary and secondary. However, secondary BAs are known to be more hydrophobic and "harsher" (in the detergent sense) than primary, so I suspect that more than affecting transport per se, the microbial balance influences the proportion of the total bile acids that are symptom-provoking. A slight to moderate slowdown in transport might not be a big deal if the BAs left behind in the gut are "milder" ones, whereas it may be a major issue if they're strongly irritant BAs.

Also worth mentioning here... if people are concluding that they have a bile acid problem solely because they get temporarily better on bile acid sequestrants like cholestyramine, this may not necessarily be the case. Cholestyramine also binds protein toxins produced by some microbes, most notably C. difficile. When I had C. diff I was given cholestyramine and it made symptoms better while on it, though of course it didn't clear the infection and I still needed a FMT. When not having C. diff it didn't make a difference.
 
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